Life Unscripted with Kevin Shook
Welcome to 'Life Unscripted with Kevin Shook', a heartening podcast where embracing vulnerability is the key to success. Join your host, Kevin, as he dives into the stories of remarkable individuals who have transformed their lives by opening up, facing challenges, and finding strength in their most vulnerable moments. Each episode features inspiring conversations with guests from various walks of life. Kevin's journey of embracing vulnerability has led him to meet amazing people, and now he brings their wisdom, laughter, and insights to you. Tune in and discover how embracing your vulnerabilities can lead to your greatest victories in life, both personally & professionally.
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Life Unscripted: Legislation, Healthcare, and Changes in the Public Safety Landscape
Will restricting or banning cell phones in schools reshape the educational landscape? Join us as we unpack the potential consequences of a new house bill aiming to restrict or eliminate cell phones from public schools starting July 1st. From parents worried about communication in emergencies to educators striving for focused classrooms, we explore every angle, including the practicalities of implementing such a ban with solutions like Yonder pouches. Plus, we dive into the evolving role of technology in learning, spotlighting how AI in Apple's iOS update might just be the game-changer schools need.
Switching gears, we delve into a slew of legislative moves with far-reaching impacts. Discover why lawmakers are cracking down on property ownership near military installations by foreign adversaries like China and Russia. We also discuss the surprising legalization of throwing stars and its implications. As healthcare landscapes shift, learn about the new freedom for primary care physicians to work across multiple networks, free from non-compete clauses. This segment raises critical questions about national security, public safety, and the business of healthcare.
Lastly, step into my shoes as an EMS professional for a heartfelt recount of high-stakes emergency runs and the systemic challenges plaguing the field. From underpayment to high turnover rates, we explore why EMS often struggles compared to fire and police services. We also share some quirky, nostalgic fun by visiting unique museums like CMG Worldwide and the American Sign Museum, offering a charming trip through Americana. This episode promises a mix of serious insights and light-hearted escapades, perfect for curious minds and history buffs alike.
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Speaker 2:Let's talk about the new house bills. So July 1st you mentioned, you gave me a list of these and one was a ban on cell phones in schools.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't look too deep into it but maybe someone can comment that is a little bit more educated on it. But it sounds like that cell phones will be banned in public schools going forward. So that kind of. It's interesting from a lot of different perspectives. From a parent's perspective, I, I don't think I like it, but I also understand that the distraction it can be, because it's a distraction for a uh, for a 43 year old, let alone for a teenager in school, or it's one younger. What's the pouch?
Speaker 2:oh god, the yonder pouch they're gonna make them do yonder pouches. So do you know it's a ban for sure I'm not sure the specifics on on.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm wondering, like what the actual, what the details of it are, but from from what it looks like there will be some form of a ban of a cell phone or watch, or whatever, I've seen that Rod's authored it, so that would be kind of cool if he was watching because, then he could comment and tell us, since he wrote the bill.
Speaker 2:All I could find on the state website was that it's going to require the school to have adopt and implement a wireless communication device policy that governs student use of a wireless communication device and publish this policy on the website.
Speaker 1:So they have to have something tangible that you can actually yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I don't know if it'll be like a complete band. It's kind of.
Speaker 1:It would be kind of hard to do something in the middle yeah, district by district may be difficult, but world's such a different place, I mean, and we're, we're connected to these things, obviously, and children that are born are, from the moment that they're born, that's in their face, right? I mean, that's that's what they see, right? Um, unless you're amish, you know. But um, so if you've got that and that's a part of the tool of society, whether it be good and bad, and everybody's got an opinion and I understand that and respect that, but it's um, and that's tough because, you know, it sounds like there needs to be some adjusting, maybe, of of how um we approach teaching, with an emphasis of knowing that that's going to be a part of that's always going to be there, right.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. So like are we? You know a balance is good, you know, with with an actual book, with some actual things there. So maybe that's, maybe that's a solution to it, as you have a certain amount of time that's restricted and I'm in the seven minute passing period, and I, I mean there's been plenty of times where our kids, you know, have been in a scenario where you know they needed to send a quick text message to us or whatever, and it was, of course, you know, not during times when they weren't supposed to have their phone right. But you know, that's important, I think, to be able to have that communication, especially in um, you know, times where things move rapidly, so being able to be in contact is, uh, it's important with transportation, all that stuff, so uh yeah, hot button issue for sure it's, it's major hot button.
Speaker 2:You could take it as far as there's an active shooter. Any phone call is a good phone call, whether it comes from a student. The teacher might be dead, so the one person with a cell phone might be dead. So there's pros and cons to this. That's why I'm hoping it's not like a complete ban.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I mean, the other kind of worry I would have is I was blessed to have very involved parents, and Chandra and I are involved in our daughter's lives pretty deep to the point where, you know, we were open with them about a lot of things and we talked to them. So that has helped us to be able to communicate with them in their way so that way we can relate and have that conversation and deepen those relationships. So you know, there are some instances where you know you've got a split relationship or you've got, you know, the only way there's communication happening maybe on that phone, and to be able to have that with your child and not be able to have that, I guess I should say is, yeah, that could be a challenge, but there's. I see both sides of it to an extent, but I would say that if you know, if you're like what's your opinion on, I would say, man, those kids need to have those phones.
Speaker 2:Right, well, and I I just think there would be. It would be hard to find something in the middle. Yeah, unless it's unless and I'm sure the technology is there.
Speaker 1:We have AI, so is there a way, in that geographical location of the perimeter of the school, that it would only allow phone calls and texts? Well, I mean right now, if you're connected to the Wi-Fi connectivity in a school, I don't think there's certain things you can like oh yeah.
Speaker 2:So I mean, there's things that are there a school.
Speaker 1:I don't think there's certain things you could like, oh yeah, so I mean there's things that are there, um, but gosh, I mean that leads to. I sent you a video earlier about um, apple's newest software update in ios 18, and what they're going to be able to do where they can. It solves math problems. The ai that they're baking into that like what? That software? When that launches in probably september, october, when they typically launch um, maybe earlier, but anyway, that's going to be very hard for schools to keep that away because, I mean, that's a tool to help a kid and I may not be able to learn from a teacher.
Speaker 2:And here's the thing like that's not going anywhere. None of this technology is going anywhere, so it's kind of like embrace it, teach it and let's move 10 times faster. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I think if you prevent the child from having the technology and the device, you're moving backwards. And we want to move forward, but we want to move forward smartly calculated and a way to progress them and obviously help them learn and be better citizens.
Speaker 2:And understand how the tools work, use the tools they're given. Yeah, um. So the next, the next uh bill that was passed, house bill 1183. And that was um banning the purchasing of property from foreign adversaries.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay. I think that's happening in some other States too. But so specifically, if from this is again understanding that I'm from my understanding so if you are a foreign adversary of the U S I E, china, russia, iran, north Korea, you're not able in the state of Indiana to purchase land specifically by a military installation.
Speaker 2:So I don't think that's a bad thing. No, it's not a bad thing. It's been needed for years. I don't see where, I don't see where that could be something where someone says you know, I mean like they need to actually go back and figure out how to take that land back from china. That's around all the military and you open up loopholes of then because someone slides another.
Speaker 1:It's never a clean bill that just comes in it says you know, hey, this is what this is then it's another question, for Maybe he's like can you just do this? One is like hey, if you're from here, we can pull this versus um, well, if you're any of these like yeah because what's considered an adversary? They don't like the fact that you talk about um. We have. There's a list, you know well or changed.
Speaker 1:There is a list of countries, the list of of foreign adversaries. Yep, okay, on the on the on these house bills, I would say the four that I? I mentioned china, russia, north korea. Uh, what was the fourth one? I said iran. Okay, those would be the four. And what hospital?
Speaker 2:did I say that was Okay, those would be the four. What hospital did I say that was 1183. All right, let's get 1183. It did name it out. Foreign ownership.
Speaker 1:I mean if you're putting, if you're buying the farmland and you know if you're doing it for a business, but if you are, I don't know. There was an air balloon flown over the country all last year, so I don't know which ended up being bogus.
Speaker 2:Yeah, China, Iran, North Korea, Russia or a country designated as a threat to critical infrastructure by the governor under section 8b of this chapter so country itself okay well, country that. Any threat, there you go. America I don't see a problem with that I think that's a good thing it is, because here's the problem they they want to ban tiktok, ban t, ban TikTok, ban TikTok. Meanwhile, they let these people buy land around military camps, right around the military camps. Why is China need?
Speaker 1:that land as the technology is deepening and the kid can get on the iPad and do algebra. What do you think they're doing? I know that's not a bumblebee.
Speaker 2:That's not a match on Bumble, so this is needed to happen yeah and I'm glad to that's an easy one yeah, I'm glad to see it. Um, so, the next one, the next one. So we just actually, jason, picked out all of these, um interesting, interesting, interesting so now throwing stars are legalized, but it does say with the exception of schools, duh so throwing, so throwing stars.
Speaker 1:Can you define what a throwing star is?
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, a metal like the, well, like a ninja star.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I wonder how long have they? Yeah, because I tried.
Speaker 2:I drove around to all the pawn stores today. I want that the pawn store around 11th. I was like hey, you got any of those bone stars? And they were like those are illegal. I'm like not of like four days ago.
Speaker 1:Bill number whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bill number, oh my god, because I just wanted one to like.
Speaker 1:No, I don't. I've seen them before, but I wonder how long they've been banned. And then it makes me think of things like yard jarts, you know like yeah, bring them back.
Speaker 1:You know I mean, but man, yeah, well, there was. It was probably in the 80s, is my guess is when that was banned. But there was a huge push, what in the 70s, 80s, with bruce lee, chuck norris man, I remember my dad was huge into those two guys specifically. Uh, bruce lee, but, um, my dad had nunchucks. Nunchucks, he had real wooden ones, I had plastic, well, and one time I hit myself in the nuts with them. God, it was awful. But uh, yeah, there was, um, a big influence on karate and taekwondo and all the martial arts.
Speaker 2:So yeah, now we're just too lazy to just do all that. Society's just like fuck that. Yeah, but I wanted to find one man. Those are really cool. Um, I feel like kind of like people shooting themselves in the legs all the time accidentally. I feel like we're gonna just have a lot of hands that are cut up from trying to throw those things stupid stuff.
Speaker 1:But then there's also, you know, the entrepreneur in me is thinking man, could you like screen press stuff on the throwing stars, like logos that we give?
Speaker 2:them at trick shows and stuff.
Speaker 1:You want a yo-yo? No, I'd rather have the throwing star than put it in a tree. You know, pop a balloon with it. I don't know. I just thought of pogs. Do you remember pogs? Uh, the little circle, yeah, yeah, that was past my I was a bit older when those came out, but I remember, remember them, pogs so another one, which is great um, with all of our health care controversy in this nation that doesn't exist because we don't know when.
Speaker 2:Everyone loves health care and we get great healthcare around here. Non-compete bans for primary care doctors. Did you look into this at all?
Speaker 2:No, and this one's pretty far out of my wheelhouse of what I so the more and more I read, the more and more it made it look like primary care physicians can work for multiple networks, like there's no compete clause. Okay, so like a free agent, yeah, um. So there's not a whole lot. There wasn't a whole lot of information at all, and a lot of these hospitals there really wasn't so what benefit if you're a physician.
Speaker 1:You're not. I mean, I can only relate it to when I worked in the cell phone industry. There was non-compete clauses. Like you know, I worked for Sprint and you know at a time we could not leave and go to Verizon um at certain levels of um employment, different.
Speaker 1:You know, whatever your role was and things like that, which I mean. If you're, then it cause. I mean think about this if that was because of business, right For growth and for competition and for income, so then does that mean that healthcare is not about the person but about the business?
Speaker 2:You're exactly right. It's all. It's all business competition. When, when I was doing stuff for the, our local healthcare, um man, it was all competition on billboard strategy where to put billboards in adjacent counties that have another hospital but I understand also.
Speaker 1:You know that that you do have to make money to be able to pay for your buildings and growth. You went to school for all these years and you're educated. God bless you for all that stuff. But it's like you know. Went to school for all these years and you're educated, and God bless you for all that stuff. But it's like you know, is it more about the people or is it more about the income?
Speaker 2:It's more about the income it's. I mean, if the healthcare facility owns private property they want to develop apartments on, we're way out of our healthcare scope. We're way we're not even thinking about providing good patient care.
Speaker 1:So how do we get back to that? Though that that, how do you, how do you get back to a patient?
Speaker 2:first um mindset responsibility with any organization healthcare organization that we're talking about, or anything you have to either a restructure your entire leadership administration, which that's probably the most realistic thing that's going to happen, because we're at a point where something has to happen or B sell out, I see. So you know, everything comes from the top down Morale, everything comes from the top down.
Speaker 1:So it's the same way, so healthcare is ran the same way.
Speaker 2:It's just another fortune 500. Yeah, um, which is sad, yeah, um.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's nothing that we can change, you know um, so non-compete so basically they're banning the non-competing yeah, so they're banning it, so you could go from one one community the position to work here.
Speaker 2:Monday through Thursday and then go work there.
Speaker 1:Okay, friday through Sunday, so they could Okay.
Speaker 2:So similar to like an independent or like yours, your your example of can't leave, sprint and go to Verizon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, well, I mean, I think that's that's a better thing, because that way the physician can then not be under, I guess, certain guidelines certain restrictions a certain way of doing business right. And a certain salary, because none of the compensation's well obviously I wonder how that is with younger folks now getting in the medical field. Is it the same thing as we need a lot of skilled labor? Do we need more physicians? I haven't looked into that. How are we with doctors?
Speaker 2:We always need that Problem of it is we now have 20 people between the physician and the CEO that wants Rolexes, which this is an Apple watch, by the way, I know, but look, this reminds me of a.
Speaker 1:Rolex. Well, that's a $9.99 Amazon add-on right there. I like it. That's what I do.
Speaker 2:I wish they would settle for that and give that money back to that position. They might stay here. Well, yeah, that's true, so, okay. So more it's just, and, and this is nationwide, this isn't just wayne county yeah it's uh, this is nationwide.
Speaker 1:I mean everything that we talk about, that's a challenge that we see locally is obviously something that's everywhere. It gets maybe centered just because we live here and we're talking about it. But I mean 99 of what we talk about and see and talk about beyond this podcast or whatever is um, we see it everywhere. So it's just, yeah, so a mass change all the way around yeah, it's it.
Speaker 2:The whole paradigm shift needs to happen. Doubt it'll happen, maybe because we're in a society of greed. Yeah, it's for sure. That was definitely everybody.
Speaker 1:Maybe you know the introduction of artificial intelligence and that helps with simplifying medicine to the point. I don't want to say simplifying because I don't want to take anything away from that, but like, maybe it makes things more efficient and therefore that helps and the cost can go down to the I mean mean so hopefully it all, I mean hopefully a lot of things can get resolved.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think we can all agree A lot of perspectives change.
Speaker 1:We want people healthy. We want them to live longer. We want them happier.
Speaker 2:And yeah, so okay, so moving on, let's let's talk about the house bill 1142, since we're kind of talking medical, okay, um, this kind of goes into some of what I did for living for a while. Um, so the state passed this house bill that, uh, provides a medal of honor for first responders. Okay, that does something extraordinary. I guess I don't know how they're nominated for it.
Speaker 1:I think it's cool. It's a cool award. So going above and beyond the call of duty as a first responder, yeah, but your job is to say, the lowest Getting noticed more, I guess Okay, which is exciting, super cool.
Speaker 2:Um, there's a flip side to it. Me being in, you know, in ems and fire and all that shit for 19 years is when I finally quit all of it paramedic bye. Um, I've seen a shift that you kind of see on social media too. I see it more because, like, I'm friends with a lot of people and follow, follow pages and stuff.
Speaker 1:But we are an award-driven society there's a lot of people that that's a motivator. Some people are um, they, they don't need the, the lights, they don't need the glamour, they don't need the award. But and maybe I'm an oddity to that, but I've always kind of been myself, this is about me. But I've just always kind of thought like the hardware is nice, or the trophy or the plaque or whatever, but I would rather just, you know, perform and make sure I'm, I'm progressing in life with my goals.
Speaker 2:So so where's the balance between recognition for something that you did um? Where's the balance between that and doing everything you can to get awards?
Speaker 1:It's unfortunately, I think, things always get politicized and we live in an imperfect world with imperfect people that have different desires and motives, and so I think maybe who regulates some of that with that medal of honor? That would help. You know, because, like what, what is considered? Going above and beyond, like I said, you know, so you're. If you're a paramedic, you know part of your job title is you're saving lives, right, so you save a life. If you know I'm ever put in a position where I can save a life, you know, maybe I get a citizen's medal of honor so that's who deserves it.
Speaker 2:But it's not your job to save the life.
Speaker 1:But okay, then that leads me to think that those that are, that are professionals at saving lives. Maybe they are involved after hours, they're involved in community things to better society as a whole, and then you're putting yourself and your profession on a platform and making it where it's um again, I, I would assume that it's probably um a profession that needs more people. Oh yeah, so you know, putting that in the spotlight is like hey look, this is super cool, look at what you're doing. You know you're saving lives, you're working with this, but also there's a, you know, I'm sure, other sides to it that are just couldn't imagine.
Speaker 2:Well, there's just a lot of little hot buttons for me in this, because I did this shit for a long time, I saved numerous fucking lives, because I was trained to do it Right. But I see, like all of this recognition or self-recognition A lot of it's self-recognition Like, look at me, I fucking saved a life. And the awards, fuck the awards, because that's not what EMS needs, that's not what FIRE needs. They need well more so EMS actually paid and compensated.
Speaker 1:Well, maybe then by getting an award, and here's a way of looking at this way if you get the recognition and you get the award, um, private business will want to link into that somehow, and then there you can get some compensation that way, some form of a um, there's some form of benefit that could. There's some form of a benefit that could be like you know, hey, this business owner really appreciates you, know what you've done, and your medal of honor, first responder, and we want to celebrate you this way, you know, I mean, it could probably start, you know, start slow. Here's breakfast, whatever.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's terribly thinking that way but no, I mean, it's terribly thinking that way, but you know what I'm saying. That's how it goes, bro. Here's a pizza.
Speaker 1:Happy EMS week. Well, it's like, you know, so you go there. It's like here's 10% off your cable bill, you know, I mean it's like, but you're like no, I want to get paid more.
Speaker 2:So it needs to be recognized. So here's Well, ok, so I quit the paramedic stuff. Like a month ago, back in february, we had a critical pediatric run, like super critical um, and in my 19 years at ems I swore this kid was gonna die. I was like he's gonna die, it's like we're just prolonging it. He survived, right. So that was really fucking cool, um, and I would message I'd talk to medical director every day and shit about it, right, dude's gotta be dead. Like injuries were crazy, jeez and uh. But so I since quit. You know this.
Speaker 2:The business got really good and then I just it that should. It just wasn't for me. After a while, like I couldn't it wasn't really the runs and everything else anxiety was starting to kick because of some dumb shit, um, with, like you know, there was a run. There was another run where we delivered a baby, everything went perfect. And then, like the next shift, they're like you need to mark out a service and come down here ASAP and I'm like what the hell? So like scared the shit out of me. I'm like what happened? And because I'm like my documentation, they thought I did some like really bad, like documentation. They thought I did some like really bad, like semi-illegal stuff, and I was like, no, that's no, no, so it's just like I don't want to always be, because that increases anxiety.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like she want to drink alcohol right, so get the hell out.
Speaker 2:I'm like I'm just done with this shit. Um, so they? So I was recognized the other day. That's good, yeah, but they didn't invite me because you were gone because I quit.
Speaker 1:So are they going to mail you like some kind of she?
Speaker 2:said they were going to mail it mail and they posted it on social media like not in this photo, but but recognized was Kevin. And then my partner also quit since then. Well, so the two people on the run both quit. So it's kind of like it's kind of like what's that? Say, yeah, the two people on that pediatric run of census quit.
Speaker 1:That made you feel like shit, didn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that sucks man, even the medical director was like like that was shitty because she wasn't part of that program.
Speaker 1:it was from the provider on the helicopter well, when you get your uh certificate, you can show it to the world bro.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe I'll get a medal, fucking honor. Well okay.
Speaker 1:so anyway, that's like, um, I mean, I feel like that's a good thing too, that's a good, I think that's a good.
Speaker 2:It's a good start, but they need to be signing house bills where EMS is paid just like fire and police. Because this building burned down. What are we at? Yeah, that's what I never understood is you're out there narcanning people and shit for less dollars an hour than people at McDonald's working, and so so are cheeseburgers more valuable than your life, people's lives, yeah, you know what I mean. So they they need the. The pension needs to be this. Everything needs to be the same.
Speaker 2:It needs to it needs to get recognized Right, because when I was in fire dude whole it needs to get recognized right, because when I was in fire dude I haven't. I might even have to touch a chart. So it's kind of like they need to increase the salaries of ems.
Speaker 1:That's why there's so high turnover so they're not, because the ems is not city employees anymore, right, they're not, they're not so they're all different throughout the state. Some are city, some private some city.
Speaker 2:Some are county employees, so both of those receive some tax funds right to operate. And then you have private. That like solely transfers. For the most part in rural areas they might be contracted to provide ems but they're solely like rely on the money they can get from these runs from Medicaid and Medicare, which changes it all the time, so it's harder and harder. Locally it's city. The city runs the EMS. Okay, when that was started when I was here, and it still is, and this is, I can talk about this now because this is my podcast and I'm not employed there, so I feel really good right now. This is about to talk about this now because this is my podcast and I'm not employed there, so I feel really good right now. This is about to be a therapeutic fucking moment. Let's go, yeah that's it it's unscripted.
Speaker 2:So there's a problem with fire departments running ems. They put firefighters on those ambulances that want to be firefighters. They don't want to be paramedics, but they make it a requirement to be able to come over and be a firefighter. That you have to do this. 99% of the people on these ambulances don't want to be on these ambulances, so how's that make you feel when they pull up to your house to take care of your grandma?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Knowing they were forced to be paramedic, forced to be this, just because they want to be firefighters. So it should be separate, right? The problem with separating it is years ago, tax caps, everything else. Um, it's really hard to get a good general fund for the fire department to buy nice trucks that they need, because you do need nice trucks, you do need training grounds, like all that shit is very necessary. Um, and, and I laid around in recliners, it's a fireman thing, but when you need, when the shit hits, the fan when the shit's the fan.
Speaker 2:You need that, all that equipment you need four people not three.
Speaker 2:You need four people, not three people. You need four people on those engines and taking care of things. Right, I agree, but because of those general funds were depleted. They seen EMS, which stands for emergency medical services. They seen it as extra money source. So that's how the amortis came into play as an extra money source. So that's how the ambulances came into play as an extra money source. So because they have suppression on that, it's not separate. You have more control of those funds so you can push, push, push as many runs as you can off those ambulances.
Speaker 2:And at that time we were doing transfers so we would go to the nursing home and take them to another nursing home, or we would go to this hospital and take them to Bloomington or something, taking our ambulances out of the city just to make money to help buy new fire trucks, new training grounds. It crosses funds over, it's a business. No, it wasn't, it's strictly. Crosses funds over, it's a business. No, it wasn't. Just to get it, it's strictly. Those ambulances are strictly a business. It should be separated. And civilians, if the state would a lot more funds to the suppression side, increase the general funds for the fire department so they can fully staff, with the equipment they need, the training they need every year. Which is it's so doable? Because we have over like 100 state agencies, and the last time I heard anything was from Del G and she said almost 50% of these state agencies could be cut. So there's money there, we're just misallocating it.
Speaker 1:Well, maybe someone's hearing this, you know, and that message should get out. I mean, that's part of the platform.
Speaker 2:So if you take those tax dollars, put back in that general fund, cut those ambulances from the suppression side. Hire civilian EMTs and paramedics that actually want to be EMTs and paramedics. Let the firemen do their jobs. You know what I mean, because we don't send a police department to security gigs to make money to pay for police cars.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it all comes down to the almighty dollar. Yeah, yep, okay.
Speaker 2:It's wild. No, it's why. Oh man, I got, I kind of got off.
Speaker 1:No, it's good Didn't mean that we were able to express it. It's good out there. Yeah, it's, it's legit. Um, yeah, like I said, hopefully somebody hears that, you know um and that's all in that arena, that's all across the nation. Yeah again same things it's not local problems, it's everywhere so it goes in the all kinds of stuff I mean so, um, you know, other nationwide things that are out there too there is, like the um, buyer agency requirements for residential real estate.
Speaker 2:okay, yep, would you happen to know a realtor that could tell me anything about this, sir, I know many, many good ones. Yes, yes, I do.
Speaker 1:No, um, it's one of his names, Jason. No, yeah, that's a. There's been, you know, a little talk here and there, but, uh, effective July 1st, yeah, buyer's agency, Um, so try to break this down and make it simple, cause it really in itself is so. If you're buying a house, you know you go to houses for sale. Sellers got it listed. We will have to have you, we'll have a conversation and then we'll document that you may be responsible for paying the compensation for the buying side of the transaction. So, yeah, that can be a challenge for some folks, but if you think about it from a seller's perspective, you know it's like these are.
Speaker 1:It's a new requirement, but this has always been the way in Indiana, you know. So if you are a seller, you go to sell your house, you know you could pay some compensation to the buyer's agent. You could pay no compensation. You know it depends on what you think's in your best interest. You know I didn't have to tie my shoes today, but it was in my best interest, right? You know. So if you're thinking from the perspective of I'm selling my house and I have buyers that want to buy my house, but they've already got to pay their closing cost their down payment and inspection and appraisal. How many really have that extra to pay for compensation for the other agent? So likely that seller that's selling that home benefited from that same scenario when they bought their home and they'll likely benefit from it again.
Speaker 1:So, you know, is that something that it's changed? It's a nationwide change, it's gone through. But there's really it's business as usual here and, like I said, there's several, a lot, several, several, a lot, whatever great real estate agents in this town that can explain that that will take care of you, and I'm glad to work with a lot of them. So my, my advice, I would say, is you know, if you go to sell your house, I would definitely recommend that you um have it to where it's available for the buyer's agent to be compensated, because think of all those buyers that won't be able to pay for that compensation. So then that lessens the amount of people that are looking for your house and you're going to want to get as much money as you can. If you're selling your house and if you're a buyer, you're going to want to be able to get it and still be able to have money in your pocket if you can afford it. So it's kind of a scale that weighs out itself.
Speaker 2:So do you think I'm just thinking worst scenario? You said there's a lot of great agents, there's some that's not so great. Do you think any of them will um slide in? So so is there a template right now? And are they all the same? So, like if I was a buyer's agent and I gave you a contract, could I ride out out on there for the next 10 years? I'm your buyer, I represent you, and then it's very small fine print that I'm the buyer, might not?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean you. You could um granted you as the buyer. It's just like anything you're a consumer, so you've got to be aware of what you have to read that so read that and and um, you know, I've always said this too is um talk to agents, you know.
Speaker 1:you know a lot of times you'll get somebody that's like, oh, this is who grandma used, or this is whoever, and that's great, and if they're, they work well for you and they've done good, that's great, but not when I have the conversation, you know. So, yeah, you want to be careful that are there people that will do certain things. I just, I don't see that happening on a large scale.
Speaker 1:I mean, humans are greedy things can happen, but that's you know. I think just the biggest advice I would say is sit down, have a conversation, make sure you clearly understand. You know what's what in this, in that aspect, because when you go to look at a home, you know now the agent. So I've got to pick up the phone and call the agent or text them or whatever. And, hey, you know how is this working in terms of compensation, because I need to let the buyer know as though, hey, look, we're going to go look at, you know, house one, two, three, you know red street or whatever, these folks here. This is this scenario. So if you like this house and you do this, you know compensation is this right? So you know I'm having that conversation, you're agreeing to it. Then we go forward.
Speaker 2:So compensation doesn't have to happen until unless they buy it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, not necessarily like, so they, they can buy. Or we could actually do a um, um, like a consult fee or like a fee basically for um, you know, helping them out through the process. So there's different things that kind of go in there. Um, so, there, be careful, what you read is my advice to see what's out there. So that way, um, when you're talking to somebody and you can see it, be careful.
Speaker 2:Cause I'm just thinking like I'm a buyer's agent. I found a very vulnerable first time home buyer buyer. Okay, I'm with you and I saw in and I write in there I'm, I'm your representative for 10 years and I'm like you. I'm like, yeah, sign here and they sign that, and then they can't get a hold of me on my phone it's muddy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean so then.
Speaker 2:So then I'm like well, if I can't get ahold of them, I got to call another agent and they make me sign that same paper.
Speaker 1:Well, you'll have. So when you sign that. You're going to most likely do it digitally, so you'll have a copy of that that signed, right, so you'd have that. So one of the things that I mean I would recommend is just, you know, hey, look, I have a paper that's signed by this.
Speaker 1:What does this mean? You know that's one thing there, but, um, it's it's going to make it challenging in an aspect of, uh, from a buyer's perspective, where they've got to be able to to pay attention a little bit more. Um, and then, from an agent's perspective, I think it's a good thing, because you actually sit down, have a conversation, not that we're not doing that now, but we I don't see it being a big issue here. I mean, if you think about, you know a seller wants to sell a house. They're going to want to get as many people as they can to buy it, and you know with what pricing would be. And for you know again, go back to a reference we talked about last week.
Speaker 1:Let's say it's a $150,000 house, you know. So if you're looking at that split that's there, um, you're willing to give that up to lose all these buyers and get you that full price. You just you're losing so much opportunity goes in there. So, um, but it's always been that way, like I said. So, um, you could always, as a seller, done that and um you know it can create some challenges, that's for sure, I think it'd be interesting.
Speaker 1:And, but it's again. Is it in your best interest? Probably not, right. So I, if I from the seller's perspective, so I would. I would advise um compensating the buyer's agent on that transaction, because you also want to be able to have the seller. Yeah, cause you want to have a good separation between who's representing the buyer, who's representing the seller. Yes, can you have both sides on the transaction as an agent? Yes, but you know, thinking it from a perspective, perspective like that.
Speaker 2:So do you see it really changing much? Do you see it agents kind of like no?
Speaker 1:I mean it's, it's, um, you know, it's an interesting subject to explain and talk through, because I mean, you know, we've spent what four or five minutes talking about it. It's kind of like there's a lot that goes in there, but I feel like that helps educate you as a buyer and a seller more on the process, which that transparency is a good thing, right? So, um, no, I I think that, again, real estate's hyperlocal, so what happens here is not going to be the same that happens in the Hamptons in New York or in Tampa, florida, or even in Marion County, right? So all those things happen at different points. But, um, uh know, real estate again in this area itself, no, I don't, I mean link up with a good agent. There are tons of them in this town. There's good people and, you know, go through the process.
Speaker 2:I love it. Yeah, it'll probably cause a lot of people to drink. No, what? Well, there's no need to. It'll probably cause a lot of people to drink no, well, there's no need to. Well, now there is a carryout. See, I didn't look too much into this one. I found two different ones. Carryout House Bill 1086 allows a bar or restaurant to prepare, sell and deliver alcoholic beverages for carryout to a customer on the licensed premises in sealed sealed, non-original containers. Which, like? Does that mean you can get a roadie? You can legally get a roadie now I thought you could still do that, but I think you can legally get a roadie.
Speaker 2:Always get roadies from the club, but it's a really temple.
Speaker 1:I usually get roadies from um. Oh gosh, made right. I usually get roadies from oh gosh, maid Rite. I ate one there. I ate one there, ate one on the road and ate one when I get home With cheese. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Have you tried the Big Jim? No, with the ham Nope, never had that had chicken salad there once.
Speaker 1:It was good. The. What had chicken salad there? Yeah. At the Maid Rite shop yeah, same one that you're going to.
Speaker 2:I don't think I could even try chicken salad at the Maid Rite shop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, tried it once. It's a nice little drive to go up there. We used to go up there to well, we still do, but there's a five below up there which ring the bell. There's new news about that. There's a five below coming to Richmond, coming to Richmond. So there's some excitement there. We need one more discount store.
Speaker 2:People talk about that like crazy. There's a comedian on my Facebook. She lives here in Richmond. She was talking about there. In Carmel they have a 500 below yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, good stuff she was talking about there and carmel they have a 500 below. Yeah right yeah, um, is ollie still a thing out here? Yeah, yep, they've got some cool stuff. You go in there. I get. I get outdoor stuff there, um, like rugs, really. Oh, they've got lawn care stuff. Then they do clothes, yeah, so there, so there's all kinds of stuff. This isn't a commercial for all these.
Speaker 2:I'm going to try it, though. Well, I've been like I love discount shit. Yeah, check it out. The online auction bid FTA yeah, but we have you know have Midwest liquidators in Connersville. That's where, like all my furniture came from, almost, but now. That's where, like all my furniture came from almost, but now and I think I told you about this is the perfect scheme open up a liquidator store. For the first few years, sell everything at a very low cost, so people think they're getting deals, or you, but they are getting deals I got deals on all this shit and then, in two years, raise your price up to close to retail but still say you're a liquidator store. Dude, that's what they did. Everything's like close to retail now, yeah, and they still say they're a liquidator store.
Speaker 1:There's always only like two cars in there. No, people quit buying stuff Not well, yeah, I mean, but they're staying in business, so they're still buying. I was like this is the perfect like.
Speaker 2:Throw your hook line sinker out there. The first few years mark everything down at a liquidator price. Jack it up.
Speaker 1:You have to drive all that stuff in trucks here too, because you get. You know. I mean, yeah, we were thinking about like. And well, if you say you started your own up like, about like. And well, if you say you started your own up like, okay, I bought a shop, you got to go find stuff, and then you, uh, you ever been to traders world down?
Speaker 1:there uh, monroe ohio, like on 75 south, is a big flea market yeah, there's two like traders world and there was one it was called turtle creek, I think it's called like pirate, pirate, co hell, I don't know, but anyway we used to go there and uh, it used to get go check out stuff and only open on the weekends. I don't know how they are now, I haven't been there in years, but it was fun to go in there. That's awesome Little liquidator of stuff, I think.
Speaker 2:What an amplifier there. One time I bought an OJ.
Speaker 1:Simpson card there once Card, yeah, like a football card.
Speaker 2:I was like I'm going to hold this. It's going to be worth a million dollars one day it might be.
Speaker 1:No, I tossed it somewhere. I think I might have actually sold it. Gosh, it was maybe sometime in the late 90s. I probably got five bucks out of it.
Speaker 2:Do you think he's guilty?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, his golf clubs. I don't know if they're still there, but in Fisher's there is this attorney's office. This attorney basically represents the royalties of famous people once they pass. Because once they pass, like Prince was one of his Howard Stern, not Howard Stern. Who's the other porn guy, Hugh Hefner? Oh boy, yeah, so guy.
Speaker 1:Hugh Hefner oh boy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so he was one of his clients. So once they pass away government being, the government comes in and says all of their royalty stuff, everything's worth a whole lot more so we needed more tax dollars off of them. So this attorney basically represents the royalties, the family, and protects the family from the government. That's good. Meanwhile he became friends with, he gets to know his clients, usually before they pass right, so he has memorabilia from all of them. He's got some interesting stuff he does so he's got it laid out like a museum. It's called CMG Worldwide but it's laid out kind of like a museum. So when you walk in because how I got to know this is I had to photograph a business that was in it. He has four sublets and I had to photograph one time a cool sculpting office. But I got to look all around and oj simpson's um golf clubs were there on display and then there was like I think betty page right was the model on the airplanes.
Speaker 1:Oh the what they call the pinup model.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, so I got to hold her wallet and see her license and oh, that's cool security card, so he has like so there's, there's stuff from, so it's like a museum of stuff. James dean, I think. Um, you have there he.
Speaker 1:They were really good friends up until he passed I find that shit cool, that all that nostalgic stuff. Like I think I told you that we went to the American sign museum down in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1:Yeah man, that place is cool. They just added some kind of. I follow them on Facebook, so they added some kind of new, new wing or whatever. But man, there are signs and just different, like framing and all kinds of stuff. It's like old Americana or nostalgia that's out there and it's like all neon, or well, there's neon or regular old signs. You know, stuff during world war two, all the way, well, even before that. But you know there's, there's a lot of cool stuff that's in there and it was pretty cheap to go in there. But just something completely different. If you're like man, you know, chug 10 beers at a Reds game or something like that.
Speaker 2:Just want to go do something. You're right, where is it?
Speaker 1:at In Cincinnati, right off of 75, right before you get to, right in the heart of all the downtown. Yeah, american Sign Museum, really cool place. Check it out. Yeah, it's a good one and you can take pictures there, just not like professional they don't want you doing like, I think, for like modeling and things like that, because there's some really really cool stuff there, but you can take pictures.
Speaker 2:It would be cool to do some portraits. Yeah, if you want to be by there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like they've got you know old Howard Johnson signs and just you know old McDonald's signs, old cars. I mean there's a lot of cool stuff and you just kind of go, oh man.
